The Ashoka Systems Change Podcast

Hosted ByFergal Byrne and Odin Mühlenbein

The Ashoka Systems Change podcast is a 6-episode series on systems change.

Ashoka’s Globalizer team has partnered with the well-known Inspiring Social Entrepreneurs podcast and host Fergal Byrne for the project. The first episode is an introductory episode featuring a conversation between Fergal and Odin Muehlenbein, a partner at Ashoka Germany and lead of the Systems Unit at Ashoka Globalizer. Fergal and Odin discuss the basics of systems change and why it’s important for social entrepreneurs and funders to think and act systemically. The remaining five episodes feature a short introduction from Odin and Fergal before launching into inspiring discussions of how these Ashoka Fellows use systems change approaches in their work. Throughout the episodes, you will meet five of the world’s leading changemakers: Meet Jordan Kassalow in episode 1 where Fergal and Jordan discuss the motivation to work on a systems level Learn from the renowned Jeroo Billimoria on how to weave networks to achieve system changes in episode 2 Michael Sani underscores the importance of well-being and personal development in episode 3 Learn how Kendis Paris achieves policy changes and creates changemakers in episode 4 Get the funder perspective from Silvia Bastante of Co-Impact on funding systems change in episode 5. Please listen to the podcast on iTunes and leave an honest review. Share it with fellow changemakers and funders and continue the conversation using #systemschange and @ashoka. We can all have more impact together if we work systemically. The Ashoka Learning and Action Center and Globalizer teams have also written a report featuring five case studies from leading Ashoka Fellows and how they use systems change in their work. In that report, you will learn more about controversy facing the field, but also how Ashoka’s focus on systems change makes it so that this controversy does not even apply to them precisely because of the systems changing ways they work. Please read the report here and share with your colleagues, fellow changemakers, and potential funders. Get involved in the conversation by posting your thoughts using the hashtag #systemschange and @ashoka!

All Episodes

Episode 6: Silvia Bastante de Unverhau discusses funding systems change

Silvia Bastante de Unverhau is a leading expert in philanthropy, with over 20 years of experience working across the international development, non-profit, business, and government sectors. She is currently the Chief Philanthropy Officer at Co-Impact, a c

Episode 5: Interview with Kendis Paris, founder Truckers Against Trafficking

Kendis Paris founded Truckers Against Trafficking (TAT), an organization that mobilizes the US trucking industry to fight human trafficking. TAT has registered and trained more than 850,000 professional drivers. TAT also played a key role in getting new p

Episode 4: Michael Sani discusses the evolving roles of a social entrepreneur

Michael Sani founded Bite the Ballot (BTB), an organization in the UK that mobilizes young people to vote. BTB started as an idea in one classroom and grew into a national movement. At a national election in 2014, over 400,000 people registered to vote v

Episode 3: Interview with Jeroo Billimoria, founder of Childline India, Aflatoun and Child & Youth Finance International (CYFI)

Jeroo Billimoria is the founder of many successful social ventures, including Childline India, a network of over 1000 organizations that provide support to millions of children each year, especially in crisis situations, as well as Aflatoun, an network of

Episode 2: interview with Jordan Kassalow, the founder of VisionSpring, and co-founder EYElliance

In this episode we explore a number of key questions at the heart of systems change: What is the motivation behind systems change? What are the differences and relationships between systems change and a direct service approach? Jordan Kassalow is the foun

Episode 1: Podcast series introduction

Fergal Byrne, host of Inspiring Social Entrepreneurs, and Odin Mühlenbein, Lead of the Systems Unit at Ashoka Globalizer, introduce the Ashoka Systems Change Podcast